Friday 18/10/2013 06:00

Author / s: Andreu Barnils

López : The unilateral declaration of independence seems almost inevitable'

Interview of Andrew Barnils the notary , writer and member of the board of directors of the Bank

Joan J. López Burniol. Born in Alcanar . Sixty - seven years. Notary for over forty years. It has been almost everything in the world right : Dean of the College of Notaries of Catalonia , judge of the Superior Court and the Constitutional Court in Andorra Andorra . Associate Professor of Law at the University of Barcelona and member of the Legal Advisory Committee of the Government of Catalonia . He is a member of the Board of Directors of the Bank and the public knows for his articles in La Vanguardia . Unionist convinced for years that it calls for the consultation . ' Since 2005, they argue . " In one of his recent articles , " The outcome ' (1), surprised his readers : thought it made ​​the unilateral declaration of independence.


Sure , your readers have been surprised by the article ' The outcome ' . There you say that independence seems inevitable .

- I say that the unilateral declaration of independence seems almost inevitable. It will be very difficult to reach the query and, therefore , there will be elections . If the pro- independence parties won will find the obligation to declare it, because it is unthinkable step back .

I do not understand why you can see the state to cancel the referendum and plebiscite election .

- The query is radically impossible not agree with the Spanish government , however, with proposals independence elections , there is no way to stop them . Defense, and I say this from the general interests of Spain, which are what I have always found that there is no more out : federalism or a serious , well- built and self-determination for Catalonia . I think the query is not prohibited by legal impossibility , is not there , but because there is no political will. There are none . As for the elections, the concept of ' plebiscite ' very complicated discussion and do not use it . Will ordinary election in which a party may include in its program the independence of Catalonia . This can not be canceled . We may cancel the resolution later if you want , but the plebiscite election in any way. Anyhow , would reach some sort of confrontation .

A reader , you know that I want to ask if you think it is acceptable that the consultation since 2014 will be a year ' patriotic '

The truth is that if it were up to me it would be exactly the same . Catalan people I know me well, and I'm much mistaken , the good sense of the Catalans . The only thing I would like is that one side and another , and freedom , could have complete information on all aspects of independence.

Love - Spain , you are family. But sometimes I feel you intellectualized feelings . There are more people who have family in Spain and are hand independence . I also love Spain .

That are adventures that ... Watch : Spain without Catalonia is not Spain , is another matter . I think those words Pierre Vilar : Atlantic Ocean , the Pyrenees , Mediterranean, it seems as if the environment is offered to the fate of a human group , the formation of a historical unity . '

Portugal breaks this theory .

Yes sir, and both . This is the first crack . It would have been much better , rationally and with respect to different personalities , had made ​​a reasonable set . Will add one thing. On the issue Catalonia - Spain , guess what happens ? Because we've already said everything we had to say. We are quite tired and exhausted . It is a tragedy that we can not decide at once.

Votaríeu - not a referendum on independence .

Sure they would vote no.

Reading your article , I feel that we overestimate the importance of the ruling classes . We are here because the people pushing from below .

And partly true. Do not deny it . That said, I've always argued that any human organization , either a state , a company , a newspaper , make no mistake , the activity of the mind is that there is absolutely crucial. And believe me, not Replacing step of popular movements . Now, there is a part of the political power of the ruling classes has shifted to a much broader social . A party who , incidentally, has left and gone to Barcelona region . The first time it was noticeable was the ERC Carod- Rovira and company. For this power no longer has his entire Government . The Government could take longer depending on what decisions against the popular sense . But that does not unnerve the role that the nature of things are always the ruling classes .

You have more power as a member of the board of directors of the Bank any Director of the Government .

This go - very wrong. In the modern world political power is very important. In the modern age , even in the contemporary people could live back in the state . Josep Pla said : what is the status for a farmer Empordà ? The collector of taxes. And point . However, now all commercial activities are subject to regulation . It's a completely unregulated economy .

As the court explained that , where cases are settled the estate scam or there is a preferential former member of the legal services of the Bank . [ Salvador Sastre ]

The truth be told : the mechanisms of filter has the Supreme Court are what they are . They must have thought that was appropriate. I do not have anything to say. What can I say ? On virginal beings , there are very few. If you're scratching ... And the relationship between the media and the public or some business? Listen , this is the same . In this case I go there . What mechanisms has the filter and what not ... What we have done , has been done well . And if the focus is put on a site, then it has to get everywhere .

I - I see that the financial power and political power go hand in hand . The famous revolving doors .

That happens everywhere . What we can say , the Schröder ? German chancellor and then president of multinational energy . These things are deviations from the system. I've argued many times. The world changed a lot since the fall of the communist system . West is thought to have won the game . And then when you start a stage of a certain wildness that ended with the current crisis. There have been abuses . And make no mistake , it is not a crisis like the above. It is an end of cycle, and the hegemony of the West. This summer I read the biography of Keynes and I struck a conversation I had with Virginia Woolf . He says: ' Capitalism worked in England in the nineteenth century to the generation of our parents tempered with the values ​​of Christianity. ' And Woolf replied: ' I think you're right . '

The nineteenth - century capitalism in England also worked on the basis of work done by children.

But the excesses of some sort were waning . The social system was slowly evolving . In some sense the irresponsibility that has ever existed last twenty years or twenty -five is infinitely superior to any previous stage . I do not speak of ruling classes , but the soldiers of what you and I are a part. I do not know if all of them have a level of concern for the public interest comparable with previous periods .

Well Tuesday hundreds of people through the PAH , totaled Salt to help people who are homeless .

- That there was only missing minorities , and whether there are any. I speak in general terms . Well, it's my perception.

Indeed , the PAH is one of the criticisms aimed notaries . You 're it . He says that notaries are key to real estate scam .

- In the vast majority , have read or have explained the scriptures . The role of the notary what ? Explain the content of what is signed in accordance with the capacity and culture of the person you speak . Overall, this has worked. And the conflict of documents which we have spoken is absolutely minimal. We have given a traffic safety law absolutely invaluable .

- Many people have signed things you did not know . And for notaries did not warn unfair or annulled them .

- I refuse . Honestly, not really. In a trade can always have a sewer. There may be a bishop who does not believe in God, or a journalist and subsidized banal , but in general terms at all : you do not admit it . The scriptures have been read and explained . The notary could not stop himself in any way. The issue of foreclosures and so on would be a tidal wave that drags everything. I repeat: any group can always have a sewer. I know the scriptures are not signed in Spain in a week . The notary is not valued by signing the deeds , but by not signing . I truly believe that notaries are an institution that has worked with a rare perfection.

Europe , said that the law was used in Spain left destitute who signed the mortgage.

- The law was actually made ​​and designed to be a contract of mortgage outstanding. The generalization of the mortgage is from the seventies of the last century. Political power has come late and Europe has said . The blame for this? The political parties , political parties have not had the foresight .

- The first guilty of mortgage fraud are banks , not the politicians.

- No way . Who takes care of general interest are the politicians . They have the ability to predict what will happen . When parliament makes a law, everyone must comply . This lack of confidence in the strength of the policy seems very typical of Catalonia . I ask why Europe has come to say that has not made a new law . It is almost a question that should not be done: so that the parliament made ​​a law. Law , whether you like it or not the bank , you could have done. Only missing.