Mon 10/14/2013 06:00
Author / s: Pere Cardús Cardellach

Pilar Rahola : ' Let us prepare for the suspension of the Government '

Interview with journalist , writer and member of the Advisory Board for the National Transitional · Report a tough battle in the coming months and the need to prepare to resist

Philologist by training, writer and journalist , media person for excellence in television debates and polemics bregada Pilar Rahola part of the Advisory Council for the National Transition . Exhibits strong defense and passionately makes each idea with a look unorthodox and incisive . In this interview , tells how hard it will take the process towards independence and requested that we prepare to resist. Spain will not lose 22% of the national GDP happily. The battle will be very tough. Very hard. ' I predicted that the state will choose to suspend the autonomy as the only way to avoid referenda elections . The mystery monopolizes the conversation when it comes to Israel 's intervention in favor of the independence of Catalonia .

- It's time for truth . Are you convinced of the victory of independence ?
Currently , I am convinced that we have no other alternative . And every day more emphatically . The road is hazardous and complex go into unknown territory and we have to be very accurate , but it is also true that we've tasted what it means to stay in Spain and the bread that occur. When a people has concluded collective vast majority has a way of exploring risky because there is no alternative , otherwise would turn misèrrims poor , no choice but to step forward . If we have more options and have come to the collective conclusion , there is certainly a superb historic opportunity to win. For the first time in history that we really have a chance to win . This situation had never occurred .

What are the main risks that could endanger the independence ?
There's no danger of fracture within Catalan , although they try from Spain with full force . One of the battles against Spain for Catalonia is trying to divide us as a nation . We are using all of the tools that have been available . But it will not . The most emphatic was the law Wert and all campaigns that have for years against immersion , which fail to take resonance . Catalonia is a curdled with curds a society which, with all the internal diversity and heterodoxy has a collective sense of belonging . This risk can be considered solved.

There is more risk - opened .
Yes, for example the economic distress . This strategy long ago that they started . In fact , there is a deliberate strategy and permanent impoverishment of Catalonia . They are convinced that one of the most important engines of sovereignty are the Catalan middle classes . This happened with the dismantling of energy , offering free process against financial power model and boxes with huge tax burden on the middle class, with certain laws contrary to the productive economy , the law of ' market unit , which is a real little LOAPA against economic sovereignty of Catalonia , etc. . The Spanish currency is ' if we can not dominate , impoverishing them . " Needless to say quite categorically that Spain Catalonia deliberately impoverished .

-I see no legal or political threat ?
- The third major risk is the use of authoritarian and despotic laws . This means that Spain kidnaps freedom in the name of the constitution. Uses the state can make laws , one of the most obvious is imprisoned president Mas and politicians that make the process of independence. But I think that this will not happen , because I think the Spanish intelligence services advisable to create martyrs . The strategy against the leaders is precisely the opposite: to dirty them and degrade them with all kinds of smear campaigns . So far they have made ​​police reports prepared by teams from the sewers of the state. Therefore, the imprisonment of top leaders can not find it plausible , given that we are part of the European Union . Instead , they have more available - and I think you have it on the table - the suspension of the Government .

- You know a good source ?
By - and I think that the information that I get some deep throat the bowels of the state, keep in mind that things have already been decided . And when I say that I was not only the PP government , but the PSOE , UPyD , determining ringleaders of the media and the Spanish power . This power has decided two things very clearly : there must be room to negotiate anything like a query in Catalonia - it would be a recognition of sovereignty as a nation - , and that any so you can reconsider the funding system . Spain has decided to accelerate the confrontation . They clearly challenge the law on constitutional questions not Catalan referendum , which allows the choice and do not have a plebiscite . The only way they stop is suspending a plebiscite autonomy .

The price - to suspend the autonomy would be high .
But know that if you win emphatically yes with a good participation in a plebiscite , will be valid and undisputed international legitimacy . When BELLOCH talked about the suspension of autonomy did not say any nonsense . Do not forget that part of the body core BELLOCH Spanish socialism . It is not a peripheral or Leguina Bono . It is central and bone marrow of socialism and no one has denied . Rubalcaba has not come step to disavow it. Rhetoric and justifications of the state to justify the suspension of autonomy may be seeking . They may say they do to save the citizens of the economic distress or defend their rights . But it is a possibility that the Catalans have to remember and say that we have prepared to face it.

- The suspension of autonomy would lead to open conflict and cheeky .
I've asked top political leaders , and Oriol Junqueras president Mas : ' If they do , whether suspended autonomy , what is our response ? ' And I feel that we do not have the answer ready. We began to develop it. We must prepare . It is true that we have to work with the idea that we query . I think before the end of the year have three things : data , entry ERC question and the government. But we have another one , not the Spanish . We anticipate our reactions to avoid having to improvise . The state elections will plebiscite in Catalonia? I think not . You can avoid the calling of an election when the president Mas is who has the power ? Not . In what way can stop ? Suspending the autonomy or intervening and taking control of the Government .

Conflict - triggered international ...
If this happened , would have a political dimension would be a scandal so big and so monstrous that speak of a serious confrontation . As mentioned , the state wants to take the case to the Catalan confrontation harder . Just keep in mind that Catalonia is Scotland, but Spain is Serbia. I want to let us Kossove and Scotland. We desperately seek to England and we find Serbia.

And yes, surprisingly , let us do the query ?
- If we can make the consultation - which pleasantly surprised me - or elections , I think it would greatly increase the violent pressure of the extreme right , as we have begun to see , and the state act via sabotage economic or mail. For example, causing a system crash data administration that would lead to a serious disruption of normal, everyday life. This would create a chaotic situation that would require urgent intervention by our courageous . All cases be expected if we take this step successfully . Everyone have in mind that Spain will not lose 22% of GDP happily . The battle will be very tough. Hard.

- We are ready to battle this so hard ?
- We would say something with lily in her hand . I have decided that ' the smile, the revolt ' . Go out and sing , and make songs, and we think that because we are right , everything will be fine . It seems to me that we are not ready for a battle so hard . I have to get down to work .

- Know about the president Mas . There is nothing that can make the commitment to withdraw its own state ?
- Not at all . The president Mas burned the ships . No return possible . Will end his political career in the process, getting to be the president who has brought us - along with most leaders - the promised land that has brought freedom or being who has tried up to the last breath and not has emerged . It is absolutely unthinkable becomes Artur Mas ago. Also, if I did , I could not go out . I will not forgive anyone.

- The loss of electoral support in the polls will not reconsider ?
- No . He is the man behind the creation of a collective illusion - accompanied by Oriol Junqueras and others - because he has a ride to the central Catalan positions to take it to rupture . A man who does this and that , having a comfortable majority , calls elections to ratify this change of direction in the polls and jeopardized his own political credibility , it does not then rethink it. The speed has not been on his boat allows you to backtrack . I should also note that the relation Union has led to a situation of no return and delicate . The man I know - not only political - I imagine not betraying his word once given should publicly.

- When you created the Advisory Council for the National Transition , your appointment of a surprised and received some criticism .
Do not my place to talk about me. The board unanimously signed by all reports , and no one should have more prominence. If anyone should have is the president Nursery and Pi- Sunyer , who made ​​an excellent job , and , needless to say, the President of the Government . I am a very public presence and that always raises controversy surrounding my name . At that time there was criticism and praise , so many many . Throughout my life I have learned to discern the reasonable criticism that it is also the excessive praise . If the president Mas and Chairman of the Board felt that I had to be , because they thought it must have been something I could do.

But what is your expert contribution ?
Of the more than fifty years , I have, on more than thirty that I work in policy analysis . Not only participate in debates and discussions and write papers , but I work in the analysis and have been part of people who have articulated a thought on the Catalan and the Catalan nation and its future , along with Culla, Cardús in or Villatoro , from the times of the minutes, the Catalan Summer University and the Conference on Nationalism ... In the eyes of the expert lawyer or economist , I bring the eyes of those who are making political analysis of everything . And the fact is that both Salvador Cardús like myself , that would be perhaps less specialized legal or tax issues , provide intense discussions on the board because we have the most comprehensive look who thirty years reflecting on who we are and no where we are as a people. But actually I 'm not who I say it sheds . In this sense, for me, the question is futile . I can only say that this team was honored without cracks completely. This experience I completed a lifetime . It is the culmination of so many things and I will give the best of myself . In short, when you do an honor like this, do not ask why. Only the grateful .

- I heard that you are the president Mas link with the government and the state of Israel . What can the Israelis offered to Catalonia ?
- The best answer I can give is do not give to you . Let me these things to stay in the area of ​​confidentiality. No not teach all the cards .

Yes , I understand that it works .
Everyone works to - day that we have an important international match . And if you have some friends along , even better. I guess we all act according to our contacts . I want to make interesting , but there is information that is too sensitive to give it. Yes, I say it would be very interesting and very good that one of the first countries that recognized Israel was . For two reasons: because it is a country with an overwhelming weight internationally , which is extremely advanced in technology and would be a good ally , and it is the gateway to the United States. Therefore, in this field, and it worked very little talking .

- Where not spoken recently, but even call it , these debates is the Spanish TV . Why go there ?
That's like when they ask me why I do not write for newspapers and sovereignty , however, write to the Vanguard. And I would write to believe . On television Madrid have offered me a thousand times to go to The cat in water ' and 13 TV, but I always said no because I was the alibi of Catalan Catalanophobia . I also always refused to participate in debates with fascists. Because I think they should fight the fascists , but can not discuss . Based on these principles , I have much room to participate in debates with the rest of those required. There are often discussions that could have saved them to me . Sometimes there because you have said you would be talking about something and just talking about another very different. And sometimes I've gone very unhappy . However , I am very pleased to participate in these discussions are on Catalonia , because then I do not speak for the Catalans who are already clear.

- The idea is to get the Catalans do not watch TV3 ?
- Exactly . Then I talk to a band of Catalan population lives and works in Catalonia and vote , which never looks TV3 . And I contribute and leverage argument . The isone Passola told me one day : ' When I see you I think these debates are like a Christian to the lions . ' I found it very funny comparison . I have no doubt that I have to go. You should go in those forums where yes there is always the Rivers and Camachos . When I 'm not to convince those with whom I have discussed , I think my friend listens Manolo Badalona .

- Finally, what advice to give independence doubt that if we get out ?
- The Catalans are suspicious by nature . Three hundred years of dictatorship , absolutism and repression in the end to have you back suspicious . It is therefore logical that we constantly question and doubt whether this or the other scared and not do what they said . I'm not who to give advice , but ask people to strengthen confidence . This country has been walking. It has done an extraordinary way . Giving a lesson to the world. Citizen with a force that neither we imagined . Although we surprised ourselves. Every day we have to get up thinking, ' Wow ! This country should have gone many times in the course of history , as it is here and is capable of two million people out on the street ? '

But it will not be easy.

- It would also give another tip . We need to reset your patience because it will be very hard. We will do very hard , will not be easy . Those who believe that we have a process that led win cheerfully , smiling and singing the wrong story. I repeat : Spain is Serbia. I hope not to use guns and tanks , but the imperialist conception and the failure to recognize the rights of the people. Spain will make us very difficult. A lot! We have great resilience . If not, you will not win . With a smile , the revolt, yes , but also with the conviction that resistance must be brave and smart.